A look at the Webbs of Catsfield Part 3

Alices’ brother Isaac married Mary CRUTTENDEN on 10th December 1761 at Catsfield and they had 6 children, Mary born in 1762, Isaac in 1763, William in 1765, Elizabeth in 1767, Joseph in 1769 and Hannah in 1773. Isaac and Mary died within a year of each other and are buried in the churchyard at St Laurence, Catsfield.

As you can see there are only 2 of the children of Isaac and Mary I have found any information on other than their baptismal date. I will primarily focus on Isaac and it is he who stays in the family home and William moves to Sedlescombe where after his marriage to Philadelphia TAYLER in 1786 they have 3 children William, Mary and Joseph.

Isaac marries twice, first a childless marriage to Lucy BATTLEMORE in 1785 and then after she dies in 1812 a second marriage where he is noted as a widow to Mary MARCHANT in 1814. It is from that marriage that they have 5 children: Mary Ann, Sophia, Isaac, Lucy and John.

The first two children Mary Ann and Sophia die within a year of being born and the final 2 children I have found no information on at all. Isaac therefore inherits the house at Henleys Down but dies quite early on with no heirs. This then leads us onto a new WEBB family that must have a connection to this one but it is still unclear where that connection is. Although I have made some suggestions as to the link which sort of make sense with the no heir apparent after Isaac’s death.

A look at the Webbs of Catsfield Part 2

There is much more to the family of Isaac WEBB, although they also peter out and disappear from Catsfield in the first half the 1800s. Isaac and Ann have two children recorded in the baptismal entries, Isaac born in 1734 and Alice born in 1736.

Alice marries James SINDEN born 1735 in Catsfield at St Laurence Church in Catsfield on 26 Dec 1756. They have 3 children: Isaac born in 1757, Elizabeth born in 1761 and then a long gap till James born in 1774.

Alice dies in 1803 and James in 1823 and both are buried in the St Lawrence graveyard. As far as I can tell, the eldest son Isaac does not marry and dies in 1827 and is also buried in the same graveyard. It is possible that Elizabeth marries William BURT in 1794 in Catsfield or Thomas SINDEN in 1784 at Catsfield but as there are several other Elizabeth SINDENs born around the same time it is difficult to suggest which might be the case. James SINDEN marries Ann EASTON in 1792 at Ticehurst and he can be seen on the Tithe Applotments for Henleys Down nr Catsfield and the 1841 Census in the same place. In fact, they are next to the WEBB place of residence in Henleys Down. James and Ann go on to have 5 children but that is where we will leave their story as it is the WEBB family we are focusing on.

A look at the Webbs of Catsfield Part 1

The first instance of the WEBB family in Catsfield comes from two brothers Isaac and Richard born to Isaac & Mary WEBB in Bexhill in 1710 and 1713 respectively. It is possible that they moved to Ashburnham before they appear in the registers of Catsfield in the late 1730’s. They both married in Ashburnham, Isaac to Ann GOODALE in 1729 and Richard to Ann THARPE in 1737 and then at some point they moved into Catsfield.

I will start with a look at Richard’s family and descendants as it is smaller.

Richard and Ann have two children: Richard and John born in 1739 and 1743 respectively. There are no further records of Richard & Ann and their child Richard beyond this point. John Webb marries Ann before 1765 but there are no records detailing the date or her surname. They have one child John born in 1765 and again beyond that date there are no records of this family.

Using Tithe Maps to help find out about your East Sussex Ancestors

The term tithe map is usually applied to a map of an English or Welsh parish or township, prepared following the Tithe Commutation Act 1836. This act allowed tithes to be paid in cash rather than goods. The map and its accompanying schedule gave the names of all owners and occupiers of land in the parish. Individual tithe owners sometimes prepared maps for their own use to show who owned what land. These maps are sometimes also called tithe maps, although such maps are not common before 1836

Wikipedia

You can search to see if your ancestors paid tithes in East Sussex at
https://apps.eastsussex.gov.uk/leisureandtourism/localandfamilyhistory/tithemaps/

If I look for the Webbs, there are a number of entries but the ones I am interested in would be the Catsfield Entries for Mrs Webb who would be Sarah Webb my 4x Great Grandmother.

We can see that there are 5 plots that she is connected to. Clicking on more details tells us that she owns and occupies plot 419 which is just over 1/2 an acre.

Plot 418 is where the cottage and garden is found, the others are described as Platt which is just a parcel of land as such. The date is useful in giving an indication of where an ancestor is at that time and whether they are still alive.

You can then see where these are on a map. You will need to look for the plot numbers on the map, it may take a bit of finding. For Sarah Webb her plots are found in Henleys Down which is just outside Catsfield. The cottage is still there today albeit with an extension.

You can also look up the plots around your ancestors house and build up a picture of what the community was like at the time and who lived where. A useful tool.

Military Career of William Charles Webb 1884-1955

Photo of William Charles WEBB in Naval Uniform

I never met my paternal Grandfather as he died before I was born and very little was ever said about him by my Dad. The only pieces of information I had about him other than his date of birth was a photo of him in Naval Uniform and in 2003 when my Aunt Margaret WEBB died a book of postcards was discovered from him to her mother during his service in the Royal Navy. So there was little to go on by fortunately there are a number of Navy records online which some great details about his service.

I started off by looking through the census records for my Grandfather. In 1891 when he was 7 he could be found living with his parents George & Elizabeth and his brothers and sisters at Beddingham, East Sussex next to the Level Crossing which his father used to be in charge of. In 1901he was aboard the Duke of Wellington in Portsmouth as a stoker in the Royal Navy. The Duke of Wellington being a retired ship used for training purposes. When the 1911 census records finally came out he was a stoker petty officer at the Royal Naval Barracks in Chatham.

1911 census showing William as a Stoker Petty Officer at the Royal Naval Barracks in Chatham

I was able to use the National Archives online to find the service Record for my Grandfather which are originally from the National Archives ADM188 Registers of Seamen’s Services 1900-1928.

The record starts off by giving details about William’s date and place of birth as well as his physical characteristics. It then continued giving a complete service record upon each ship that he worked and his rating, as well as his character. He started off as a stoker on the Duke of Wellington on February 1901 as we saw in the 1901 census and then moved to various other ships before becoming a Leading Stoker in 1907 aboard the HMS Fisgard, another training vessel. In 1908 he became Acting Stoker Petty Officer aboard the HMS Terrible before being made Stoker Petty Officer in 1911 aboard the HMS Spanker. In 1912 he became an Acting Mechanician aboard the HMS Pembroke II. Just before the outbreak of the First World War he became a Mechanician aboard the HMS Hercules. He then served aboard a number of ships during the First World War before becoming an Acting Chief Mechanician on the HMS Greenwich after it ended in 1919. He then became a Chief Mechanician aboard the HMS Argus which was an aircraft carrier converted from an Ocean Liner. He was then shore pensioned in 1922 whilst aboard the HMS Victory II.

HMS Argus (one of the postcards that WIlliam Webb sent home to his wife)

I have started to look at where each of the ships noted on his service record was at that time to see what happened to William during the First World War. There are lots of websites that are very useful in doing this and this is now my ongoing research. His marriage certificate to his second wife, my Grand mother Sarah Bridget WHITE showed that he had put his skills learned during his Naval career to good use and was working as a Marine Engine Fitter.

DNA – What can it tell you?

It took me a while to get around to it, but finally I got my DNA test done and linked to my ancestry tree. Managed to get it on one of their deals so it cost a little less.
They send you a small box with a plastic tube you add saliva to and then add some other liquid which stabilises it I guess. This then gets sent back to their labs in America.
It takes some time to get there and you get notified when it arrives. You then have to wait a few weeks more for it to be tested and the results published.
You then get your DNA story which gives you a break down of how your DNA is made up of DNA from different regions around the world. You also get matches with any other people who have submitted their DNA.
So how did mine look.

No great surprises!
You can drill down a little further and I have links to Cornwall, South-East and East Anglia, all of which are found in my family history.
The smaller 1% parts are the historical aspects of my DNA which shows how people migrated to and from different areas.

Did I expect a little more?
Probably, but there are other DNA programs out there you can upload your DNA to and I will talk about them later, as well as the cousin matches.

Lucy Emma Carter

Lucy Emma Carter, daughter of Timothy Elphick  and Emma Jane Carter, was born in 1853 in Brighton, Sussex, England and was christened on 11 Jun 1854 in St Nicholas’, Brighton, Sussex, England. Lucy married Charles Levi Webb, son of Charles Webb and Mary Pilbeam, on 15 Jun 1874 in Hastings, Sussex, England.

Noted events in her life were:
• She had a residence in 1871 in Brighton, Sussex, England.
• She had a residence in 1881 in Brighton, Sussex, England.
• She worked as an Upholsterer in 1881 in Brighton, Sussex, England.
• Divorce: on 15 Aug 1884.

Philip John Beare

Philip John Beare, son of Robert Beare and Sarah Oldman, was born about 1840 in Burgh St Peter, Norfolk, England, was christened on 10 Sep 1848 in Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, England, and died in 1880 in Islington, London, England aged about 40.

Philip married Caroline Webb, daughter of John Webb and Sarah Hiscock, on 20 Jul 1862 in St Johns, Paddington, London. Caroline was born in 1817 in Catsfield, Sussex, England, was christened on 19 Oct 1817 in St Lawrence, Catsfield, Sussex, England, and died in 1891 in Paddington, Middlesex, England aged 74. They had no children.

Marriage Notes: Profession of Groom: Licensed Victualler
Abode of groom: Hyde Park Square
Abode of Bride: Brindley Street
Father of Groom: Robert, Butcher
Father of Bride: John Webb, labourer
Witnesses: George Wright, Athelia Gregory

Alice Webb

Alice Webb was born in 1866 in Catsfield, Sussex, England and was christened on 1 Apr 1866 in Catsfield, Sussex, England.

Noted events in her life were:
• She had a residence in 1871 in Catsfield, Sussex, England.
• She had a residence in 1881 in Hastings St Mary Magdalen, Sussex, England.
• She had a residence in 1891 in Catsfield, Sussex, England.
• She had a residence in 1901 in Bexhill, Sussex, England.
• She resided at Down Barn in 1911 in Battle, Sussex, England.

Alice married William Ballard in 1901 in Catsfield, Sussex, England.